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Agent MattPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 13:14
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Jenny McCarthy has a body count attached to her name. This website will publish the total number of vaccine preventable illnesses and vaccine preventable deaths that have happened since June 2007 when she began publicly speaking out against vaccines.

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html

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sorryPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 15:27
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I have only skimmed a few articles regarding the vaccine issue. From what I've read, however, it seems that the life-saving-ability of vaccines is not in question. Rather, the long term damage they cause due to certain ingredients is a major concern.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 15:37
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"Rather, the long term damage they cause due to certain ingredients is a major concern."

A major concern to who?

Personally, I am more concerned with the long term damage polio causes.

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sorryPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 16:06
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It would be a major concern to anyone affected by the effects of those vaccines. I'm going read more into the topic. I know of the study from the late 90s that was recently shown to have falsified data.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 16:13
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"I'm going read more into the topic."

That would probably be best.

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caseyPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 16:14
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All debunkers are COMPLETE AND TOTAL WANKERS!!! IF YOU DID NOT HAVE A VESTED INERTEST IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU WOULDINT WAIST YOUR TIME TO DEBUNK SOMTHING YOU THOUGHT WAS STUPID!!!! GET A LIFE OR CONTINUE AND STILL GET PAID OFF THE CORUPRT GOVENMENT!!! ................ NOY EVERYONE IS STUPID AND BOUGHT BUY SPIN!!!! 316

NOT ALL OF US ARE DUNB YET!!!

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 16:30
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Jenny McCarthy has a body count attached to her name. This website will publish the total number of vaccine preventable illnesses and vaccine preventable deaths that have happened since June 2007 when she began publicly speaking out against vaccines.

http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/Jenny_McCarthy_Body_Count/Home.html</p>

This is retarded. First of all, who listens to Jenny McCarthy in the first place to decide if they want vaccines or not. In the second place, they're tracking sixty-four (64) diseases there. Should everyone get a regular regime of sixty-four (64) vaccines? Do you have any idea how much mercury that would put in your body? Already the typical vaccination regime for children introduces many times more than legally allowed mercury, consisting of a dozen vaccines or more by the time a child is three years old. It's no wonder people grow up to be idiots in so many cases, they're mercury poisoned. Mercury poisoning at such a young age severely retards neuron development in the brain. To be more precise, it cuts off new dendrite formation forthwith.

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anticultistPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 16:43
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"All debunkers are COMPLETE AND TOTAL WANKERS!!! IF YOU DID NOT HAVE A VESTED INERTEST IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU WOULDINT WAIST YOUR TIME TO DEBUNK SOMTHING YOU THOUGHT WAS STUPID!!!! GET A LIFE OR CONTINUE AND STILL GET PAID OFF THE CORUPRT GOVENMENT!!! ................ NOY EVERYONE IS STUPID AND BOUGHT BUY SPIN!!!! 316

NOT ALL OF US ARE DUNB YET!!! "

There are some spelling errors here Casey, allow me to fix them for you.
Waste not Waist
Something not Somthing
Corrupt not Coruprt
Government not Govenment
Not not Noy
And last and most importantly
Dumb not Dunb

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 16:45
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I have only skimmed a few articles regarding the vaccine issue. From what I've read, however, it seems that the life-saving-ability of vaccines is not in question. Rather, the long term damage they cause due to certain ingredients is a major concern.

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.people.health/msg/a6c5c1887be6f85e?pli=1

> > The timeline of vaccine introduction and impact can be seen
> > graphically athttp://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html. Infectious
> > disease mortality declined dramatically prior to availability of most
> > vaccine (See "Public Health at the Crossroads," by R. Beaglehole and
> > R. Bonita, pg 43) such that only 3.5%, AT MOST, of the decline in
> > disease-related mortality from 1900 to 1975 could be attributed to
> > measures introduced for the control of these diseases. Whether
> > vaccine was responsible for even 1% of those declines is not known.
> > The graphs show that declines in severe illness leading to death prior
> > to use of vaccine was profound. In one case, those declines occurred
> > without vaccine present at all, further demonstrating the McKinlay
> > finding cited by Beaglehole and Bonita. If the vast majority of
> > declines in infectious disease mortality occurred before most vaccines
> > were available, the trend in declining severity of these illnesses
> > would naturally have continued past introduction of vaccine. And that
> > is exactly what happened. The purported benefits of vaccine in
> > reducing rates of infection and in conferring meaningful resistance to
> > disease are based almost completely on pre-existing declines in the
> > severity of those very diseases. This has occurred against a backdrop
> > of limited safety data and a history of serious, often fatal, vaccine
> > side effects.

> > Note that, among 30 countries with childhood vaccination programs, the
> > one with the highest mortality rate for children under 5yrs of age is
> > the country with the largest number of childhood vaccines. That
> > country is the USA. Not surprisingly, childhood mortality rates in
> > countries with the LEAST number of vaccines in their early
> > immunization schedules are those with the LOWEST childhood mortality
> > rates.

> > "During the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, when smallpox
> > epidemics ran rampant, the introduction of smallpox vaccination was
> > often followed by an increased incidence of the disease. Many vaccine
> > critics accused the smallpox vaccine of precipitating these
> > epidemics. A disastrous smallpox epidemic occurred in England during
> > the period 1871-1873 at a time when the compulsory smallpox
> > vaccination law had resulted in nearly universal coverage.

> > "When Japan started compulsory vaccination against smallpox in 1872
> > the disease steadily increased each year. In 1892 more than 165,000
> > cases occurred with 30,000 deaths in a completely vaccinated
> > population. During the same time period Australia had no compulsory
> > vaccination laws, and only three deaths occurred from smallpox over a
> > 15-year period.

> > "Germany adopted a compulsory vaccination law in 1834, and rigorously
> > enforced re-vaccinations. Yet during the period 1871-1872 there were
> > 125,000 deaths from smallpox. In Berlin itself 17,000 cases of
> > smallpox occurred among the vaccinated population, of whom 2,240 were
> > under ten years of age, and of these vaccinated children 736 died.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 17:01
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"NOT ALL OF US ARE DUNB YET!!!"

Man, this forum needs a signature feature.

Because this is gold.

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anticultistPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 17:05
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hahaha

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 17:06
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Okay so, you can show that, during a time when people didn't know much of anything about sanitation, germs, or viruses people did die of vaccinations. Did you know they typically used one needle for everyone back then as well? Hello infections!

Can you show anything not in the 19th century where medical care did more harm than good?

The number of absolute retards going out telling people not to get vaccinated has gone up, interestingly the amount of people dying from diseases which there are vaccines for have started to go back up too. Thank you Jenny McCarthy.

I don't expect any "awake" people to believe real science anyway, after all, when you're convinced that Space Shuttle Columbia was shot down to end the Space Shuttle Program (which had already been scheduled to end anyway), you're just a dumb fuck with a religion in masturbatory quackery, and there's nothing that could every convince you otherwise.

Plautus, you're a moron. Go fuck yourself.

After all, real science is always done on Usenet without sources to actual scientific studies, plenty of stuff about autism and vaccines, which has been thoroughly debunked. Watch out creationists, the anti-vaccination people are coming up fast with pseudoscience.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 18:04
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Edward said:

Can you show anything not in the 19th century where medical care did more harm than good?

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/12/chest-xrays-mammograms-increase-risk-breast-cancer-young-women.html</p>

Some women already at high risk of breast cancer should be cautious about having mammography or chest x-rays before the age of 30 because the imaging may increase the risk of developing the disease, researchers here said.

Do chest x rays and mammograms increase the risk of breast cancer in young women? Five or more x-rays, or any exposure to ionizing radiation before age 20, increased the likelihood of breast cancer two-and-a-half times in this high-risk group, Marijke C. Jansen-van der Weide, PhD, of the University Medical Center Groningen in the Netherlands, and colleagues reported at the Radiological Society of North America meeting.

Edward said:

The number of absolute retards going out telling people not to get vaccinated has gone up, interestingly the amount of people dying from diseases which there are vaccines for have started to go back up too.

Novartis Focetria Adjuvanted H1N1

Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin

Squalene: Neurotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

Novartis H1N1 Monovalent Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen

Polymyxin: Neurotoxin

Neomycin: Immunotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

GlaxoSmithKline Arepanrix Adjuvanted

H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Formaldehyde: Carcinogen

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin

Squalene: Neurotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

GlaxoSmithKline Pandemrix Adjuvanted

H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Octoxynol 10: Immunotoxin

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin

Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin

Squalene: Neurotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

GlaxoSmithKline Fluarix 2009-2010

Formula Ingredients/Toxicity

Formaldehyde: Carcinogen

Octoxynol 10: Immunotoxin

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin

Sanofi-Pasteur H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Formaldehyde: Carcinogen

Polyethylene Glycol: Systemic Toxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

MedImmune H1N1 Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Monosodium Glutamate: Neurotoxin

Gentamicin Sulfate: Nephrotoxin

Monobasic Potassium Phosphate: Immunotoxin

FLUARIX 2009 Latest Package Insert Ingredients/Toxicity

Formaldehyde: Carcinogen

Gentamicin Sulfate: Nephrotoxic

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

CSL PANVAX H1N1 Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen

Neomycin: Immunotoxin

Sodium Taurodeoxycholate: Carcinogen/Immunotoxin

Polymyxin: Neurotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

CSL Afluria H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen

Neomycin Sulfate: Immunotoxin

Polymyxin B: Neurotoxin

Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin

Sodium Taurodeoxycholate: Carcinogen/Immunotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

Note: An additional CSL H1N1 Vaccine is Undergoing Trials with AS03 Adjuvant which contains Squalene.

Adverse Reactions of Vaccines

Serious adverse reactions are as follows:

* Pain

* Redness

* Swelling

* Fatigue

* Headaches

* Arthralgia (joint inflammation)

* Myalgia (muscle inflammation)

* Shivering

* Sweating

* Swollen lymph nodes

* Fever

* Vomiting

* Tingling or numbness of the hands or feet

* Shortness of breath

* Vasculitis (inflammation of the blood vessels)

Serious adverse reactions are as follows:

* Blood and lymphatic system disorders (lymphadenopathy)

* Psychiatric disorders (insomnia)

* Nervous system disorders (dizziness, paraesthesia, inflammation of the central nervous system, inflammation of nerves, autoimmune disorders affecting myelin sheaths of nerves such as Guillain-Barré Syndrome)

* Ear and labyrinth disorders (vertigo)

* Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders (dyspnoea)

* Gastrointestinal disorders (nausea, diarrhea, abdominal pain, vomiting, dyspepsia, stomach discomfort)

* Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders (pruritus, rash)

* Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders (back pain, musculoskeletal stiffness, neck pain, muscle spasms, pain in extremity)

* General disorders and administration site conditions (bruising, asthenia, chest pain, malaise)

I don't expect any "awake" people to believe real science anyway, after all, when you're convinced that Space Shuttle Columbia was shot down to end the Space Shuttle Program (which had already been scheduled to end anyway), you're just a dumb fuck with a religion in masturbatory quackery, and there's nothing that could every convince you otherwise.

The Columbia vehicle was shot down by the Starfire beamed energy weapons range, a secure lab facility (SLAB) operated by the United States military's Directed Energy Directorate. Starfire produced targeting images of the Columbia just prior to its destruction. One reason, of course, was to demonstrate this capability to the world. While you may believe foam destroyed the Columbia, people in other nations are well aware of the weapons systems that exist in the United States, and realized that the Columbia was destroyed with what amounts to a segment of anti ballistic missile defense systems. Another reason was to have an excuse to mothball the shuttle fleet to roll out the newer robotic hypersonic gliders. That's all space shuttles were, you realize, robotic hypersonic gliders, controlled by computers. The Pentagon's goal is two hour force projection of any munition anywhere on the planet. Coincidence theorists would have you believe all these things are just coincidences, that some amateur astronomers just happened to be hanging out in one of the most secure lab facilities in the United States owned by the US military for some early morning skygazing.

Plautus, you're a moron.

I'm the most intelligent and knowledgeable person you've ever met.

Go fuck yourself.

Show me how.

After all, real science is always done on Usenet without sources to actual scientific studies, plenty of stuff about autism and vaccines, which has been thoroughly debunked. Watch out creationists, the anti-vaccination people are coming up fast with pseudoscience.

I identified all the neurotoxins in vaccines today, as well as pointing out that mammograms increase the risk of breast cancer in women. Talk about the perversions of the monetary system, the cancer industry seeding the market with cancer victims through the aggressive use of x-rays. The cancer industry is a trillion dollar a year industry, if a cure for cancer were released, the economy would go in the tank forever.

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EdPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 18:05
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>>>>>>I'm the most intelligent and knowledgeable person you've ever met.

LOL

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sorryPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 18:16
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If anyone is interested, I'm currently reading this article:

http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/immune_suppression.aspx</p>

EDIT: I'm done with that one and have moved onto this article:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/14/Expert-Pediatrician-Exposes-Vaccine-Myths.aspx</p>

I don't know enough about biology and medicine to comprehend everything said. And when I go to the articles' sources, I still struggle to understand the medical terms and explanations.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 18:24
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Nice sources on those Plautus!

"Formaldehyde: Carcinogen"

Great, something that's created in the human digestive process, now I can't escape it!

Say, you know what my favorite carcinogen is? Black Pepper. Or wait, how about Coffee? They're going to depopulate the Earth yet!

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EdPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 18:26
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Tuna has lots of mercury in it, I guess theres a Tuna conspiracy!

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Sil the ShillPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 20:52
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Big Tuna.

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MuertosPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 21:52
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I like tuna. Especially in sushi.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 22:32
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I have a tuna sandwich almost every single day for lunch. It is delicious.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 09, 2010 - 22:41
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I eat tuna with tabasco for lunch on weight-training days, but I'm not a huge fan.

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sorryPosted: Apr 10, 2010 - 07:18
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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx</p>

Above is a video of the researcher whose autism-vaccine study in the UK was retracted. It's actually multiple videos long, so if you're going to watch, let it play through so it can load the next part.

Here is a report about the retraction:

http://children.webmd.com/vaccines/news/20100202/study-linking-autism-to-vaccine-retracted</p>

And then, here is a report stating no link between MMR and autism - though that is contested toward the end of the article with good reason:

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20080903/autism-measles-vaccine-no-link?page=2

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 10, 2010 - 07:42
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The following is an appeal to emotion, but I don't care because as far as I am concerned there is no reason whatsoever to be concerned that vaccines cause autism.

When your kid becomes crippled and scarred from polio or measles, do you think s/he will be grateful that you listened to celebrities rather than doctors?

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EdPosted: Apr 10, 2010 - 07:52
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sorryPosted: Apr 10, 2010 - 08:15
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Thanks for that, Ed. I'm almost done with the interview I posted. It's interesting to see the media can mislabel someone and circumstances like in Wakefield's case.

Wakefield also says that he supports vaccinations for measles and mumps. This isn't about stopping vaccination.

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sorryPosted: Aug 30, 2010 - 16:09
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This video is almost as funny as the post I made above 4 months ago:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/08/mike_adams_on_vaccines_oracs_corollary_t.php#more

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